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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:13:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Elizabeth Aideron wrote:freighter ganking is obviously fine Of course ganking is fine; maybe you should be more coordinated and manage it without bumping.
Or maybe you should bring a squad of friends in suicide gank ships to guard your freighter from bumpers?
Think about it.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:28:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that we're talking about GM evaluations of player actions and the intent behind those actions, not a computer simulation. So no, computers would be pretty much useless for these kinds of judgement calls. Implying humans make consistent moral decisions? Incidentally, data mining would mimic human judgement with an extremely high degree of accuracy in a scenario like this. Computers are smart; people are bad at utilizing them.
Confirming TQ needs to mine data that it logs itself. It's not totally busy running a submarine sim.
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Posted - 2013.06.30 17:46:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:S Byerley wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that we're talking about GM evaluations of player actions and the intent behind those actions, not a computer simulation. So no, computers would be pretty much useless for these kinds of judgement calls. Implying humans make consistent moral decisions? Incidentally, data mining would mimic human judgement with an extremely high degree of accuracy in a scenario like this. Computers are smart; people are bad at utilizing them. Confirming TQ needs to mine data that it logs itself. It's not totally busy running a submarine sim. Classifications tend to be quite fast once you've sorted the training set. In any case, I didn't say I thought it was appropriate, just that I took exception to the thought that computers are somehow inept in this regard.
You also made an amazing statement: That data mining itself would mimic human judgement.
It won't.
It will just create metadata.
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Posted - 2013.07.05 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:S Byerley wrote:baltec1 wrote:Very well we will take this refusal to answer as yet more evidence that you have no argument and should be ignored by CCP. Feel free; your opinion (much like mine), doesn't matter much to CCP. Well they followed my advice and feedback on the second look at the Megathron hull slot layout. Now, why is it that given an hour of being under attack the freighter pilot didn't get help from the hundreds of pilots in his alliance?
ITT: Person who isn't good at Eve loses freighter, becomes expert on CCP's official opinion of user feedback.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:04:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:It's astonishing to me that you even petitioned it when it is so very, very clearly an acceptable event. It's also rather impressive that you're still going to try and escalate it even though we've told you for nearly 60 pages why its fine, pointed to all the relevant statements by CCP, and you yourself have now been directly told by GMs that its ok.
Some people are just completely belligerent and unwilling to accept that they just lost.
It wont be long now before they claim they're vanishing off to play WoW, and EVE is doomed to fail as a result of this heinous cruelty
A forum page for every minute.
A laugh for every ISK lost.
And yes, quoted GM responses are clearly defined as against the rules.
So what we have here is basically an exploiter complaining about exploits.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:12:00 -
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Let's get this thread up to 3600+ posts so we can have:
A POST FOR EVERY SECOND THIS COMEDY WENT ON!
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:24:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Consensual or not it doesnt matter. What does matter is there is no fight until the freighter is aggressed so the mechanic of bumping does not produce aggression. Anyone should not be allowed to waste an hour or more of my time with no aggression.
Bump me if you need to but do it in what should be deternibed by ccp as an acceptable time frame then blow me up and let me get on with my game.
Keeping me tied to game with no aggression timer and no options after a certain point should be defined as griefing per CCP.
Honestly, if you're being kept tied to Eve Online for an hour longer than you intended because some guys were setting you up for a loss you didn't have the friends or the skill to prevent, I suspect you've got other issues besides the game mechanics of bumping spaceships on the internet.
If you're going to take a loss anyway, why stay logged in? Why not go outside to reflect on the joys of life instead of wallowing in the extension of your own defeat?
Bumping is not an exploit.
Addiction seems be a powerful motivator. In this case it's motivating you to believe you're being griefed when in fact you are just being beaten. Learn to walk away.
That's, in all honesty, the best advice you can get, given what is written here.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:34:00 -
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Callyuk wrote:Well you are all right so far :) In game rules you got me there. I don't think anyone would have seen the aggression by noob toons coming. And no i don't know the forum rules since im not a forum ***** and this is my first time (other than Char Brazzar) on the forum since i started playing eve i'm learning them one ban at a time. As for the petition i still think they (how about abused instead of exploited) the mechanics. Since its been confirmed by CCP there was no exploit lets use abused instead .
Nope.
They USED the game mechanics. Say it with me. No, not, "Abused."
"Used." There, good.
Regarding the forum rules. They are posted and easily accessible at the top of EVERY PAGE. You can write, so you're obviously literate. Read the rules before you break the rules. Sort of like how, regarding this thread's OP Topic, you would have benefitted greatly from reading the rules in the first place, too, before playing the game.
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